Thursday, April 2nd, 2009...5:25 pm
#57: Vaccines
The Best Parent Ever is better than you because they have more money. Oh, yeah. And their kids are not vaccinated.
A recent study in the Los Angeles Times demonstrated what most of us have suspected all along: shunning vaccinations is a rich person thing. The study found dramatic increases in children entering Kindergarten without their shots (as high as 86 percent at one charter school). But the unvaccinated are concentrated at the highest-priced private schools, and public charter schools in the state’s most affluent areas.
The non-vaccinated child is fast becoming the Best Parent Ever’s new elitist status symbol. Are their legitimate risks to getting your child vaccinated? Yes, of course, there are, but they are only for the rest of you poor slobs. Today’s Marie Antoinette simply cries out from her castle walls (in Brentwood): “Let them eat MMR vaccines!”
So take that, peasants and middle class suckas! The Best Parent Ever has every possible financial and social advantage over you, and now they can claim a non-vaccinated medical one as well. That is, until a measles outbreak wipes them all out at their charter school. Whoops! Score one for evolution. And the well-vaccinated non-BPE suckas of this world.
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61 Comments
April 2nd, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Pure rubbish! Nonvaccinating parents do so because they are informed, not because they are rich. Having a child with a normal and natural immune system is not a status symbol. It’s a symbol of being an informed and caring parent. It is completely ridiculous to suggest that only the rich do not vaccinate. Ever think that the differences in location of the clusters of unvaccinated has to do with the availability of education materials on the subject?
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:35 am
Um, rich people tend to be far better educated. that’s why they’re rich. It isn’t that they think they are above vaccinations. This is just silly.
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:50 am
omg.. the picture. I lol’d
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Sometimes with articles like this, one need not say anything because the original author says it all for anyone. First, I’m poor and I don’t vaccinate. Wish I was rich, or even middle class, but alas, I am not.
Why is it that those “targeting “poor people”" are saying they’re expected to “take the risks” - when everyone, rich or poor, is allowed the same rights? Just because I’m poor, sure doesn’t mean I have to be stupid.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Ohhhh another one of my BPE pet peeves!!! Selfish, socially irresponsible behaviour on the part of people who ought to know better. Vaccinations are a blessing to the modern world and those ignorant fools who reject them are primarily concerned about how they view themselves as parents and not the psuedo-science that lends shaky support to their claims. These people are conspiracy theorists gone viral and they are a menace to society.
There is a social construct amongst BPE’s where refusal to trust any sort of conventional authority is seen as being both free thinking and self empowered. 200 years of history has shown us that vaccines are a safe and practical way to prevent deadly diseases from claiming untold numbers of lives. Vaccines are a public health measure that we owe our children. Every vaccinated child is like a brick in a wall that protects society at large. Every unvaccinated child is a potential Typhoid Mary, putting everyone at risk.
Unvax’d members of society are a threat to everyone because they act as breeding grounds for diseases. When populations of people aren’t vax’d diseases can mutate inside that population and can even infect those who are fully immunized. More important though is that these unvax’d people are a very real threat to young children who haven’t been fully vax’d yet and they are a threat to those who can’t be vax’d for reasons such as allergy or underlying health conditions.
Certain disease that were nearly eradicated due to vax’s are making a comeback due in large part to non-vaxers.
The problem with BPE non vax’rs is that have fallen so totally for anti-vax propaganda that they don’t even know how much it is they don’t know! They bought into it and fell for it and now we ALL have to pay for it and that makes me damned mad. My children shouldn’t be put at risk of contracting polio, pertussis or diptheria because the kid sitting next to him in pre school has parents with shit for brains!
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:53 pm
I TOTALLY agree w/ LIR. Rich= every opportunity to educate yourself.
This is why it is the 3rd world countries that are struggling so badly with diseases, and mutated strands of them.
That excuse is absolutely asinine.
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:10 pm
LiR, Actually the drop in the rate of polio and diptheria (as with many other diseases) has more to do with the improvement of basic sanitation in post industrial society.
My shit for brains mentality has more to do with watching both my sons devolve developmentally after they were injected with multiple live viruses.
“Certain disease that were nearly eradicated due to vax’s are making a comeback due in large part to non-vaxers.” Prey, what diseases do you speak of, and where are the facts to back it up?
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:59 pm
My my….when did this turn into a debate board? LOL!
As always, a very funny piece…it’s funny though how some take it personal…maybe it’s cause they are BPE’s themselves and don’t even know it. *Shrug*
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:30 pm
I really dislike the phrase “I am an informed and caring parent so I…” It implies that those who do not conform to your thought are not informed or caring. When this is pointed out then it is…I did not say that, you must be feeling guilty or something. Really, I am informed and I vaccinate. I even care about my child.
Really there are benefits to vaccines. In 20 years working with kids and adults with developmental delay only about 2 could be linked to vaccines. One of those was infantile seizures that were noticed after the vaccines but her grandmom will tell you she noticed them prior to the vaccine.
This is written quoting an article and stats from an LA Times article. Really take it for what it is a blog. If it is close to home then there is a little x in the corner…click it. If you can smile at it then do so.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:01 am
I wonder if the mass amounts of “educated” folks who choose not to vaccinate are in favore of mass genocide via the black plague, or polio, or if they realize how deadly chicken pox can actually be…
You want stats on what these diseases do to communities that can’t afford vaccines? Pick up a national geographic or a damned history book occasionally.
And feeding people a line of crap about improved sanitation being the only reason that these viruses and diseases don’t kill by the thousands is as much horse manure as the belief that because we are in America these things can’t touch us.
Why are people scared of the flu? It mutates and kills. Why are people scared of polio? Because it debilitates, then kills… Viruses are a crazy evolutionary thing they are… And to stay one step ahead of the game those crazy smart people called scientists came up with vaccines to save us lesser mortals.
You should be kissing the feet of those that vaccinate and save your kids from certain illness.
Asshats.
April 5th, 2009 at 2:23 am
Ladyinred, I’m not sure who you think is an ignorant fool but maybe you want to take the time to look the word up. Ignorant means lacking in knowledge. From your post, and that of nomorewirehangers - it is apparent that you believe what you hear and have little knowledge on the subject of vaccines. And I hope you have both had your black plague vaccines! If not then you better run to your fear-mongering doctors and ask for one!
To think that rich people don’t vaccinate because it’s some sort of status symbol - that is pathetic and stupid - not in the least bit funny. Those who don’t vaccinate have hours and hours of research in their decision. Some doctors don’t vaccinate, I guess they managed to find non-fear-mongering journals to read huh? They are out there, maybe you should try reading them. And it really takes some kind of ignorance to say that the chickenpox is deadly. It is not, if it were then you wouldn’t be here, neither would I! Now I’ll click the little X and smile while I’m doing so!
April 5th, 2009 at 2:31 am
Your kids are vaccinated, you say “My children shouldn’t be put at risk of contracting polio, pertussis or diptheria because the kid sitting next to him in pre school has parents with shit for brains!”
So how intelligent does one have to be to shoot crap into their child when they don’t even trust the crap to work??? I’d call that shit for brains for sure!!!
And name a disease that’s been eradicated because of vaccines and then prove it…you can’t. Yeah, shit for brains for sure!
April 5th, 2009 at 2:52 am
nomorewirehangers - if you would pick up a history book yourself you would learn a few things. For instance, the smallpox vaccine actually caused more smallpox than it protected from. The entire country of England refused to vaccinate because of it. The OPV (Polio vaccine) was used for decades while the officials KNEW that it was causing polio. They took it off the schedule in the early 2000’s. There is also a very important history/science lesson to anyone who cares to learn about diseases and how they are spread. And please, if you want to learn something don’t pick up the National Geographic use peer-reviewed journals instead!
The flu kills old people, they could die from the common cold if they are unhealthy enough. And I’m not afraid of the flu - just the flu shot. If you want to avoid Asthma, it’s best to steer clear of the FluMist because it causes asthma - states it right on the package insert! Maybe you should try reading one of those!
If you really believe that vaccines “save” you or anyone else from death, you have a whole lot of reading to do…start with the fact that vaccines fail and they wane! Where’s your protection then? Are you having titers done on your children every few weeks??? No, so you have a false sense of security. At least I know where I stand with my children - and no they didn’t DIE when they both got chickenpox…and I should add that my son got the worse case - he was vaccinated! My daughter barely even knew she had the chickenpox, that’s how light her case was. Now if you listen to your all knowing doctor - that tale is assbackwards ain’t it?
April 5th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Take a deep breath Dana, you aren’t going like this.
Once upon a time, there was a disgusting disease that killed and maimed people in great epidemics.It was fatal for 30% of it’s victims. It was a scourge of mankind for millenia. The last known case of this disease was diagnosed in the United States in 1949 and the last case in the world was diagnosed in Somalia in 1977. This disease was the reason vaccinations were invented. Know where I’m going with this? Yup. SMALLPOX! Smallpox was wiped off the face of the planet(save for a few vials held in top secret laboratories) because people were vaccinated. And up until a few years ago, pertussis(whooping cough) was nearly unheard of. Again, due to vaccinations. Then some idiots had to go on a power trip and decide to be so cute and unique and not get their children immunized. And thanks to them, my little kids are put at risk of contracting pertussis. Last year my baby had a bad cough and the first thing the doctor asked me is if he was up to date on his shots because his cough sounded a bit whoop-ish. I was shocked,that in this day in age there would be any chance of my children catching this disease. Thankfully my son is vax’d and all he had was the croup. So thank you BPE’s for putting my children at risk. Aren’t you the awesome ones?
As far as not trusting the “crap” I”shoot into” my children, well thats….crap. I trust the vaccines. I do not trust kids whose parents have shit for brains to keep their un-vax’d children out of public places until my child is old enough to have received all of his shots and boosters!! My children haven’t had all of their shots yet, they are too young. So your disease ridden offspring pose a serious threat to the well being of my children, and the rest of society at large. Now, aren’t you proud of yourself?
April 5th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Bravo! Do the non-vaxers ever stop to thank those of us that DO vax our kids?? If we peons didn’t vax our kids YOUR kids would be at a much greater risk for contracting a life threatening disease. You think you’re so well educated and are protecting your kids but the reality is WE (the vaxers) are protecting your kids. Yes, there are possible complications in vaxing but you are MUCH more likely to have complications from non-vaxing. I shudder to think what would happen if we all stopped vaxing - would vaxing again become the new hip thing to do???
April 5th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Dude… I totally read askamoron.com for my information Dana… No really… When I asked it why you had a stick up your ass, and had clearly been rendered nonsensical, it told me its cuz you didn’t get your kids vaxed…
April 6th, 2009 at 2:08 am
Thank you so much, Dana. I’ve been trying to figure out how to define the phrase ‘twat waffle’ for a while now and you’ve finally cleared it up. What a turd.
April 6th, 2009 at 5:23 am
I don’t live in once upon a time land. I live in the land of dishwashers, vacuum cleaners, carpeted floors, toilets, washing machines, clothes dryers, daily baths/showers…all those things and so much more has tremendously changed the spread of disease. Besides, I had most of those diseases and I’m still here…so is most everyone my generation and older.
Furthermore, if your dumbass didn’t get the vaccines yourself then your children WOULD be protected until they are “old enough to have received all of his shots and boosters!!” You know NOTHING, you just listen to groupspeak and follow the rest of the sheeple. Keep doing it and when your adult child comes down with a CHILD HOOD disease, then know it’s because you’re too stupid to realize how ignorant you truly are!
April 6th, 2009 at 5:36 am
Google and Wiki is all you got, huh?
Why did our government contract not one, but two companies to produce smallpox vaccines to be stock-piled?
In 1928, the British Medical Journal acknowledged that young adults vaccinated against smallpox were five times more likely to die form the disease than those who were not vaccinated. I have several peer reviewed journals that describe this occurrence up until the late 60’s, if it caused smallpox then how the hell could it eradicate it???
Clean living conditions explains exactly why the smallpox was found in lesser-developed countries last.
April 6th, 2009 at 5:45 am
“Certain disease that were nearly eradicated due to vax’s are making a comeback due in large part to non-vaxers.”
You mean Polio? SmallPox? The black plaque - I’m sure you got that vaccine and how about the scarlet fever vaccine - did you get that one too?
The military still gets the smallpox vaccine…why is that?
And…one more question - does your newborn baby need protection for a sexually transmitted disease? Will your toddler be shooting-up with his nursery-school friends? But yet you shoot Hepatitis B and antibiotics, aluminum, mercury and what else into your newborn when he or she is only hours old? From your pharma-loving posts I’m guessing you do!
April 6th, 2009 at 5:56 am
“Last year my baby had a bad cough and the first thing the doctor asked me is if he was up to date on his shots because his cough sounded a bit whoop-ish. I was shocked,that in this day in age there would be any chance of my children catching this disease.”
My doctors usually read my child’s chart so they don’t have any need to ask about the vaccines. Of course my doctors know of my experiences with vaccine failures, vaccine waning and lifelong vaccine damage so she wouldn’t dare ask such a stupid question.
You seriously need to do some reading…and if your doctor thinks a vaccinated child or adult cannot get the disease he/she was vaccinated for then your doctor ALSO seriously needs to do some reading.
You spread your hearsay and you’re completely CLUELESS!
http://www.ajc.com/health/content/metro/stories/2009/03/22/whooping_cough_vaccine.html
You should also read about our military who’s been damaged by vaccines. Children aren’t the only victims!
April 6th, 2009 at 6:04 am
“So your disease ridden offspring pose a serious threat to the well being of my children, and the rest of society at large.”
Take a deep breath because you are not going to like this: A vaccine is never 100% proven to work. All vaccines wane over time. NO vaccine keeps you from being a carrier of ANY disease. The only difference is that when your disease ridden offspring carries a vaccine-available disease - you won’t ever even know it! At least my kid will present symptoms when he’s carrying it…and I can keep him home. You just send yours straight to daycare and government school so they can spread the disease to all the kids of naive parents who believe their kid is protected!
Did your kids not get their croup vaccine and boosters???
April 6th, 2009 at 6:05 am
“If we peons didn’t vax our kids YOUR kids would be at a much greater risk for contracting a life threatening disease. ”
Prove it.
April 6th, 2009 at 6:07 am
“but you are MUCH more likely to have complications from non-vaxing.”
Prove it. (Any peer-reviewed journal will do.)
April 6th, 2009 at 6:16 am
The Polio vaccine also caused more polio than it protected from. See “Cutter Incident” as one example and for another look at why the CDC pulled the OPV from the American vaccine schedule. (There’s plenty more in between those dates.)
When people cannot prove that vaccines are effective then they need to shut the hell up and stop spreading the group-speak and hearsay.
April 6th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Ahh, where to begin.
Yes, the ORIGINAL polio vaccine caused SOME cases of polio. Then they figured out about killed virus, problem solved. There was an American Experience program on it recently - go to the pbs.org website and check it out. My mother in law, who got polio about 3 months before the vaccine became available, could cheerfully put her crutches upside the head of anyone who doesn’t vax for it.
My kids were born in a third world country, where Hepatitis is pretty rampant, as is tuberculosis. Damn straight they got vaxed for it. In fact, they wouldn’t be allowed into this country without all their vaccines. Somehow, they lived to tell about it, even without me there wringing my hands and hovering for the first 6 months.
I think the solution is simple. Don’t want to vax? Fine. Home school your kids. You can teach them your version of science and the rest of reality while you are at it. They’ll be safe from germs, and our kids will be safe from your ignorance.
April 6th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Dana, what is the black plaque? Sounds like a dental issue.
April 6th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Dana, did you ever stop ranting against Big Pharma long enough to wonder why the goverment has kept vials of smallpox in storage? I assure you, it isn’t for memory’s sake. One of the reasons is in the case of biological warfare. That is why some segments of military are vaccinated against it. Same reason they get vaccinated against Anthrax. Both are horrid diseases that can be used as weapons. It is unlikely to occur, but it’s best to be aware of the possibility.
Your understanding of human immunology and the process of disease transmission is laughable, yet also eerily frightening. Just so you know, in order to be termed a “carrier” of a disease, one cannot actually have symptoms of the disease! So your unvax’d children won’t have any symptoms if they are carrying a disease and spreading it to others….you won’t know!
Oh, and FYI, there is no croup vaccine as croup is not a disease. It is a secondary condition.
April 7th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Dana, maybe you need to stop reading this blog b/c it’s clearly making you upset. Go back to mothering.com and enjoy life in la la land.
So as a non-vaxing parent, would you let your non-vaxed kids hang out at the international arrival terminal at the airport? I’d really like to know that. And if you and your kids travelled outside the US in non Westernized countries, would you get them vaxed???
April 8th, 2009 at 4:00 am
Me thinks Dana has some issues. I agree with Hmama, you need to take a step back and breathe, you are way too emotional, it’s quite scary actually. Why do some people read this blog and take it like it’s based on facts? I’m pretty sure it’s based on opinion, I could be wrong though, I am blond after all, if I am wrong would you care to enlighten me?
Ppl should really just read this blog and LAUGH, I know I do.
April 8th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Sounds like Dana is getting her info from places like whale.to (or other websites which get their info from there, most notably MDC). Doesn’t she know there’s a law against that?
http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Scopie%27s_Law
April 8th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Mtlchick - you mean…BPE isn’t the source of all human knowledge???
Well, way to burst my bubble
April 9th, 2009 at 1:27 am
Geek, I don’t get my information from PBS, I read peer-reviewed journals. You should try it! Or maybe not, they may be a little difficult for you to read. Of course you would need to be intelligent enough to find them first, not everyone is! Most dimwits only find the CDC’s garbage and because it’s the government - well that makes it the gospel don’t it! And when in 1967 they say measles is not a fatal disease but in 2006 it is…don’t ask, just go with it!
Red -
When you discuss the ORIGINAL polio vaccine - are you suggesting that the same vaccine from the 1700’s was the one they stopped using in the US as recent as the early 2000’s? You need a history lesson! Probably quite a few history lessons!
In 1999, in the state of GA, the polio vaccine was given twice - both a shot and one taken by mouth. The oral polio vaccine was discontinued in the early 2000’s. Why did they discontinue the OPV? I’m quite certain that the OPV was discontinued in all 50 states at that time. Why would they do that to your precious stocks???
“Your understanding of human immunology and the process of disease transmission is laughable, yet also eerily frightening.” Like you know me or have any idea what-so-ever what I do or do not know! It’s only frightening to pharma junkies and the like. Afraid your stocks may take a plunge if word gets out? Not happening, there’s too many brainwashed and drug addicted/money hungry idiots scaring parents into using their products with baseless BS! Why do you all have nothing when asked to keep it in today’s world - in THIS country and in THIS decade? Because without numbers from 3rd world countries and hundreds of years back in time, you have NOTHING. The fear mongering is sad and pathetic!
My knowledge is laughable? Oh that really hurts my feelings coming from an obvious pharma junkie who’s too brainwashed to read peer reviewed journals. Well your kids may not be able to handle any of the diseases and bacteria that you vaccinate for - since I’m sure you weaken their immune systems every chance you get. But hey, it makes your stocks worth more so who gives a shit about the health of future generations!
In case you didn’t catch it, the comment about croup was sarcasm but hey, you vaccinate against bacteria - so why the hell not? Not smart enough to develop a common cold vaccine??? That’s one I’m sure you can sell - dumb parents will line up and beg the government for freebies!
KISS - if you want to know about the black plague you’ll have to ask the asshat who mentioned it!
I won’t play semantics or respond to the rest of the poster’s who are too brainless to have a thought on the subject. Wow! I cannot believe that some parents are so jealous and so shallow that they find this BPE crap entertaining! It may have it’s funny topics but this ain’t one of ‘um. And people pretending that they know someone’s emotions??? If this is your form of entertainment then you may think everyone is emotional, I can’t try to understand so I won’t.
“So as a non-vaxing parent, would you let your non-vaxed kids hang out at the international arrival terminal at the airport? I’d really like to know that. And if you and your kids travelled outside the US in non Westernized countries, would you get them vaxed???”
If any of you believe in herd immunity then all I can say is that you have a lot to learn. I neither believe in it or require the pretense of it. We travel outside the country often, and not once has any of us gotten a vaccine-preventable disease.
Do you drop your kids off at the airport for fun or something? I can’t image why you would ask such a stupid question hmama! What do you want to know? Am I afraid of a few non-deadly, mild and self-limiting diseases? No, I had them so no, I’m not afraid. Am I afraid of Polio? No, they have treatments for that but you keep thinking that medical technology is still in the 16th century and hope your vaccine don’t fail - I’m sure you’ve had all your boosters!
Am I afraid of ANY of the vaccine preventable diseases? No, because my kids immune systems do the jobs they were designed to do. Why doesn’t your kids immune system do it’s job? Too busy to have healthy kids? Can’t cook real food so you have to jab your kids with all those vaccines and boosters to protect them? What do you do when they fail?
No need to answer, I’ve already heard it all before.
April 9th, 2009 at 6:26 am
Somewhere a pot is missing it’s crack.
April 9th, 2009 at 6:26 am
its, not it’s
April 9th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
I think Dana has proven the point of the entire BPE blog.
Thank you Dana for informing all of us. Is there any other topic that people are woefully uninformed about? You could let us know what dimwits we are.
The fact that you are taking a satirical blog that used an article as a jumping point and getting on a soap box tells me that you do not get the point. The point is not a debate about vaxing. It is that people who think they are BPE will try to tell everyone else they are unintelligent, uninformed…
Please see my earier post where I pretty much say the same thing.
April 9th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Skip the vaccines Dana. Go straight for the valium. You seem like you need it.
Oh, and FWIW, I’ve got a doctorate in engineering. I can read just fine, thanks.
April 9th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Thank you teaching mom… My thoughts exactly.
My problem isn’t actually with those who don’t vax. Its with people like Dana who think they are better people and better parents because they don’t vax.
Dana, educated or informed or whatever it is you claim to be?? It doesn’t change the fact that despite your best intentions, you’re a bitch. Work on that, lose the attitude, and come back with a purpose of actually education as opposed to unadulterated smugness and we might give you some credence. Until then, grow a sense of humor. Ciao.
April 9th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Apparently Dr. Dana, MD knows what she’s talking about. She must have had extensive years of medical school training to have the confidence in her decisions to disregard the advice of most highly trained health officials everywhere. *eyeroll*
I feel bad for your kids.
April 9th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Don’t you know, all those highly trained health officials are in the pay of the EVIL GOVERNMENT???
April 9th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
PS - I read peer-reviewed journal articles too. :O
April 9th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
OMFG! NOOOO. Whew. Thanks, GeekMom. I just called and canceled my kid’s next appointment. I also just finished molding our tinfoil hats. I hope they work. o.o
April 9th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
I swear, we need to put close captioning for the satire impaired on this site.
So after a statement such as “BPE’s know that their children will outperform yours at school because they had a water birth.” a little window can pop up saying “This is Satire. This is poking fun at the lengths some parents will go to in order to crow about their parenting style. This is not a factual statement. Remain calm.”
We could market this service!
April 9th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
I think Dana has the reading comprehension issue, I didn’t ask her about black plaGue, I asked her about the black plaQue she mentioned in HER post.
Or maybe she just has spelling issues.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:11 am
I’m surprised no one has mentioned this yet. I just found this site yesterday, and in my attempt to BPE I’ve figured out why BPEs are so superior and can skip vaccination altogether.
It’s because they breastfeed. Duh.
Don’t you lowly, dumb-ass awful parents know that breastmilk is the magic bullet that will save the children, hell even the WORLD!, from everything evil and scary?
You see, BPEs don’t need to shove a needle into the arms of their Chads and Trixies; they simply shove the boob into their mouths and the problem is solved.
(God love the mother who introduced me to this site…it should be requisite reading before giving birth, just so new moms aren’t capture by the BPE cultists and converted into their minions)
April 10th, 2009 at 5:27 am
If breastfeeding is the cure to all sickness I must be doing something wrong… Hehe.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Oh my god, I’m jealous AND shallow, who the hell knew! That sure explains a lot. Because I vax I must be jealous of you Dana AND somewhere shallow as well. Maybe even uninformed?
Thanks for proving this blog right, YOU are what this blog is about. It’s not about whether you vax or not, it’s about thinking you are right and everyone else is wrong and having the shitty attitude to go right along with it.
Lurkers….Dana is what this blog is about, hope this example is enough, and thank you Dana for participating.
By the way it’s THEM not ‘UM.
April 12th, 2009 at 3:09 am
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That’s total bullshit. People aren’t going to refuse vaccinations b/c it’s the “in” thing at the moment. There are very real reasons behind the delay or forgoing of vaccinations. I personally would not choose not to vaccinate my child, but I respect another’s decision not to go that route.
Isn’t respect what all you non-BPE’s preach? Seems you could use a little yourself. Just sayin’…
April 12th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
We do. But this blog is SATIRE. For those without a sense of humor and the inability to laugh at themselves I can imagine its hard to read…
So yall quit wasting bandwith if it isn’t for you… Or, come and LAUGH. Either way, I’m indifferent. I slept through the portions of sociology that explained morons…
April 12th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Yes Michelle, we would like everyone’s decisions to be respected. The difference with this blog? It’s meant to be funny. As opposed to when you meet a BPE in real life that either vax’s or doesn’t and they think you are wrong and they are right and lecture you. This is not that. Like Hangers said, it’s satire, and so if you have no sense of humor than it’s probably best to ignore this blog.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:11 am
response to mtlchick25
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:59 pm
It’s like the blogger said when talking about circumcisions. If you want to start a raging, flaming debate at any “mommy-and-me” place then all you need to do is bring up vaccines or circumcisions.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Dude….vaccines have lovely ingredients. Like formalin (which is formaldehyde), aluminum (a heavy metal that is very, very bad for brain cells, even in adults), ammonium sulphate, MSG, and human diploid cells, which are taken from aborted human fetuses. Yummy! Who wouldn’t want to inject vial after vial of heavy metals and toxins into their newborn?
Give me a freaking break and educate yourself. We don’t have much money. We are by no means rich people. But we are educated. We read, we think for ourselves….and we made the informed decision not to vaccinate our kids. Not because it’s trendy - here in Canada, it is NOT trendy - but because we don’t want to put that crap in our children. Guess what? They are incredibly healthy kids. They have awesome immune systems. They don’t get sick often, and generally when they do they recover quickly. Just like vaccinated kids. Oh and we are not a threat to society - if your children are vaccinated, then they have nothing to worry about. Right?
April 16th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Re DANA:
Her manner may not be as nice as all of you would like, but most of her info is very sound. You just don’t like what she has to say because it contradicts everything we all were taught growing up. But she’s mostly right.
April 18th, 2009 at 12:17 am
VC
GeekMom happens to work at a university dealing with a mumps outbreak. Would you be willing to take your kids there? Would you risk deafness and infertility? Its one thing to rely on the herd immunity provided by those of us who do vax, it’s totally another to put your theory about the practicality of vax’ing to the test, no?
April 19th, 2009 at 3:36 am
And all I’m saying is just talk to a doctor or nurse who has seen a formerly healthy child DIE from one of these so called “harmless” diseases. Yep, there have been kids that DIED from the chickenpox. D.I.E.D. No, it doesn’t happen often, but it does happen. People even die from the flu. And we’re not talking about many of the more eradicated diseases. The chances of my child having serious complications from a disease that s/he could have been vaccinated against are higher than the possible complications of a vaccine. Okay, so maybe they wouldn’t die from the disease but going blind or deaf isn’t so bad, right? Talk to people who come to the US from 3rd world countries and have access to vax for the first time. They laugh at the non-vaxers because they have seen what these diseases can do FO’ REAL.
And what about all that press that showed that the doctor who started the anti-vax movement was a complete fraud??? Totally crap study that made every parent worry about the MMR vaccine and every other vax.
April 19th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Vaccines have nothing to do with how frequently your kids get sick or how long it takes them to recover from a sickness. Vaccines aren’t a generic immune system builder.
If your unvaccinated child contracts measles and comes in contact with MY unvaccinated newborn/infant (because, if you had educated yourself fully you’d know that this particular vaccine isn’t given until 12 months old or after, (typically) then I ABSOLUTELY have something to worry about. See how that works?
There is absolutely a threat to society. What do you think would happen if the bulk of the population of the US stopped vaccinating? How would you feel if your child contracted measles and then passed it on to an unvaccinated newborn and that newborn DIED as a result?
Don’t worry, I won’t hold my breath for an answer. Clearly it’s only YOUR child(ren) you’re concerned about.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Go ahead - don’t vaccinate. That’s like not wearing a seatbelt because occasionally there’s a person who would have survived a particular wreck if he’d been beltless.
This just goes to show, once again, what a bunch of dolts live in California.
April 24th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
You are crazy if you think vaccines are made from aborted fetuses. C-R-A-Z-Y.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:52 am
wow-I’m so glad I happened upon this thread… reminded me that I need to go get my TB test checked out tomorrow and get my flu/Hep B vaccines…this week…
I’m a healthcare worker in a nursing home…getting Hep B is a possibility and if I get the flu, I’d be a danger to the residents. They recommend we get all these vax’s because, well, they work.
Vaccines work, and my kids are vaccinated. I feel it’s my duty, to protect those in our society who *can’t* be vaccinated, or who would not survive these diseases.
I have a friend with an autistic child. She vaccinated her kids and hasn’t regretted it. I asked her what she thought of vaccines/autism, and she said if she had to pinpoint the “cause” of the autism, it would be the febrile seizures her daughter had at 5-6 weeks of age for unknown reasons (prior to any vaccines). Not the vaccine… she’s done her research and this is the conclusion she’s come to.
I live in CO where there are several pockets of non-vaxers. Guess where whooping cough & measles breaks out? Yup-those pockets.
June 4th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Ladyinred said: “There is a social construct amongst BPE’s where refusal to trust any sort of conventional authority is seen as being both free thinking and self empowered.”
Exactly. But they don’t recognize that instead they are trusting the advice of kooks and conspiracists.
DG said: “LiR, Actually the drop in the rate of polio and dip[h]theria (as with many other diseases) has more to do with the improvement of basic sanitation in post industrial society.”
Huh? Improvement of basic sanitation caused a dramatic INCREASE in paralytic polio! It’s what made it become the scourge it was in the early 20th century and caused brilliant minds to develop vaccines to eliminate the virus from the western hemisphere! See: http://www.cloudnet.com/~edrbsass/poliodefinition.htm
Dana said: “If you want to avoid Asthma, it’s best to steer clear of the FluMist because it causes asthma - states it right on the package insert!”
Huh? FluMist does not cause asthma, a chronic condition marked by recurrent bronchospasm. It can trigger an asthma attack in people who already HAVE asthma. Everyone knows you don’t take FluMist if you have asthma. You just take the shot instead. But FluMist will not GIVE you asthma. Maybe you read the package insert, but did you understand it?
Dana said: “When you discuss the ORIGINAL polio vaccine - are you suggesting that the same vaccine from the 1700’s was the one they stopped using in the US as recent as the early 2000’s? You need a history lesson! Probably quite a few history lessons!”
Oh the irony. Apparently as Dana lectures us about history lessons she needs some herself. I’d be fascinated to learn there was a polio vaccine from the 1700’s.
February 18th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
Thanks a lot and I’ll subscribe to the blog so I can keep reading.
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